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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 23, 2010 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

Obviously the man wasn't hired for his organ prowess, but I'd be curious to see if there are any nominations. I ask after hearing somewhat more prominent organ than usual on the 11/23/70 Hard to Handle -- but there are guests at this show, so I'm not positive that it's Pig (though I would expect more from a talent like Winwood).

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 23, 2010 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

For starters the correct date for that music is 11/16 not 11/23, and It's Steve Winwood.

For some solid Pig organ work try January '68. Particularly Clementine on 1/20/68!

Some shining moments during the Europe '72 tour as well.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 23, 2010 10:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

Well it's a damn fine show, with our without the HA's.

But yeah, Clementine's a fine suggestion.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Nov 23, 2010 12:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

When was the period were he was taking lessons, to up his playing skills ? Seems to me I remember reading that somewhere .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 23, 2010 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- OOne sequence TFTV

I am sure LiA and CLIFF can provide some quick ref's, but note that in the TFTVault release the mix allows you to pick out some, and they are not half bad (of course, don't focus on the sometimes tedious DS intro tinkling). In any case, the mix issue is a real problem for the early era (as we've often noted, detection of TC is often difficult during 69). And, my problem is that PP doesn't do much for me period--thus I cannot list five great semi-solos of his (they obviously didn't do alot of organ based ones for him; harmonica, yes, kybds, not so much...), but if you go to the 68 "releases", which generally have the best mix, you can find little snipets where you say to yourself "ah ha! not bad!"

I know this happens a time or two on, again, TFTVault, as when my kids and I first heard it, we at times thought maybe TC had joined by then somehow (but of course, no)...

Sorry I can't be more specific.

EDIT: how many spelling errors and misplaced paren's can one idiot provide? Don't answer that...and yup--CLIFF points out below that you can detect PP in some of the Jan/Feb (I am sure) early jam numbers...I know there are some in which Jerry and PP go back and forth in an almost impressive fashion.

Ah ha! Yes, go directly to the CE--OO--CE on TFTVault! In the OOne, the guitar/organ solos play point-counterpt quite effectively to complement Bob's singing (first verse sequence, prior to "mid jam").

That is probably my fav example of PP playing a "leading role" against Jerry's normal leading role of course...

This post was modified by William Tell on 2010-11-23 18:05:09

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Poster: pigpen_81 Date: Nov 23, 2010 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

I ♥ WT .. ie: "don't focus on the sometimes tedious DS intro tinkling..."
I missed this place and that is all I have to offer this thread ;)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 23, 2010 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

Ah, shucks...now, if your handle conjured images along the lines of "Miss Divine's", I might have provided some text to upset those already upset with me for my singular fondness for gals posting at the Forum, but since it does nothing of the sort, rest easy. However, speaking of the slight but significantly sweeter nature of posts by the fair sex, I realize we seem to have misplaced "Jess" for some long time now...our loss, of course.

In any case, thanks for the kind words, PP81!

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Nov 23, 2010 6:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

one show that comes to mind is this 11-19-66 give "the same thing" a listen i think you'll find some great pigpen organ work. killer show by the way!! :)http://www.archive.org/details/gd1966-11-19.sbd.miller.94106.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: Jim F Date: Nov 25, 2010 9:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

I was surprised nobody mentioned this, then there it was at the bottom of the thread. For me, when I think of Pig's organ playing, I think this is the one for me as well. He dominates that Same Thing.

I also agree with his work on Europe 72 being underrated. Really it's just too often hard to hear him. I've always wondered what my favorite show of the tour perhaps, 4/26/72, would have sounded like had his organ gotten recorded.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 23, 2010 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

As CH said, I believe it is Winwood on 11/16/70.

Anyway, you're paging the wrong fellow since I don't have a fix on the 'best' Pigpen organ solos....in fact I don't remember him ever having an organ solo! (Maybe there was one in '66?)
'66/67 was Pigpen's heyday on the organ, when he still had an 'equal voice' in the music and was turned up as loud as the others. But the winter '68 shows are probably his best representation on tape, he's clear in the mix and you can find lots of instances where he's really participating in the jams. I guess my own favorite instance is the 1/23/68 Viola Lee on the '68 Road Trips, Pigpen's very active in there.

(If you're looking for Pigpen on piano too, I always have to mention the New Speedway Boogies from 6/13/70 and 8/18+19/70, he adds quite a nice backing.)

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 23, 2010 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

"As CH said, I believe it is Winwood on 11/16/70."

Makes perfect sense given that Pigpen is singing through a lot of the organ parts.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 23, 2010 10:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

I would add this to Cliff's Europe '72 list.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-10.sbd.kaplan.1582.sbeok.shnf

A somewhat underrated show because of the monster the next night, Pig's organ is high in the mix and aside from his 4 songs in the first set, he really shines on the organ in other songs during this set. He seems to fade in the second set. Something that was not terribly unusual at the end of his time with the band.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 23, 2010 5:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

As LIA has pointed out, Pigpen contributed some nice piano during some of the 1970 acoustic sets. In addition to the examples he cited (New Speedway on 8/18-19/70), I would add the performances of Truckin' and Brokedown Palace as well. Unfortunately those shews are only available as audience recordings. Perhaps inspired by Jerry's piano work on the preceeding performance of To Lay Me Down, Pig plays some fine grand piano during Truckin' on 9/20/70 as well...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-09-20.aud.remaster.sirmick.27583.sbeok.shnf

Some of my all-time favorite Pigpen organ play occurs during the Europe '72 tour. In spite of his poor health, he was able to add a perfect counterpoint to Keith's piano at various times during the tour. One particularly beautiful Pig organ passage is in the poignant and emotive performance of Morning Dew in Munich on 5/18/72. He is playing quietly, but if you listen closely during this extraordinary rendition, you'll find his organ play quite lovely and it adds a layer of richness and aesthetic beauty to the performance...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-05-18.sbd.miller.79057.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Nov 23, 2010 10:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

During the lovelight on 4/21/69, Pig solos for a minute ortwo (I believe due to a broken string being fixed?) and it's pretty groovy shit. Perhaps the only example I can think of him taking the 'lead' much like Kieth steps up during the 9/21/72 birdsong.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 23, 2010 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

Isn't that TC on 4/21/69?
TC's another player who almost never got to solo unless Garcia broke a string.... But since Garcia was breaking lots of strings in '69, we do have a lot of, I won't say 'solos', but kind of wriggling around for a couple minutes until Garcia comes back... (Lack of confidence? Maybe TC, like Keith, felt like he shouldn't be up-front.) It is interesting to hear Weir step up sometimes in these cases, though.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Nov 23, 2010 11:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

haha, i always assumed it was Pig for some reason, but it just goes to show you don't ever know...


idk much about TC solos, but i know he does have some interesting playing in the 3/2/69 Dark Star, he's steps up front a bit more than usual...

This post was modified by clementinescaboose on 2010-11-24 07:29:58

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 23, 2010 1:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

Great TC solos would be another interesting thread. I really can't recall anything that really stands out, much as I appreciate his impact on the band's sound.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 23, 2010 1:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

HeLives and SCB will tell you to seek out early Jan, 70, just before he departs, I think (LiA?). 1-2-70 if I recall.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 23, 2010 2:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

TC?

http://www.archive.org/post/272365/tom-constantens-contribution-to-the-grateful-dead

L. Ron Hubbard is still laughing...

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Poster: He Live's Date: Nov 23, 2010 10:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: SOUNDCLOUD, happy TG GGDD

http://soundcloud.com/colforbin73/03-clementine

do you all use this soundcloud site? really the perfect thing for this forum.


of course, this must be TC on clementine -- but i was thinking about the dead forum and the great soundcloud already.....

have a good holiday you freaks! thanksgiving has always seemed like THE BAND and GD time of year to me.....


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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 24, 2010 3:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: SOUNDCLOUD, happy TG GGDD

That Clementine is from Portland on 2/2/68. And it most assuredly is Pigpen on organ!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 23, 2010 3:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

Gosh almighty! We defn covered it all...I wish my body could get as skinny so quickly...like the threads that is.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 23, 2010 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

Hah! Now that's what I call a THREAD - pretty much all human life is there. And amazing how skinny some of the replies get down towards the end.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Nov 23, 2010 2:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

Yesterday it was Best Throwing Stones, today it's Best PP Organ Solo, tomorrow it will be Best Toy Cannon Shot from Mickey Hart.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 23, 2010 3:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

or Bob's best short shorts!

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 23, 2010 3:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen's best organ solo -- paging light into ashes

Point well taken... But what are we if not afficionados of pointless and arcane details? What do you want, another thread about Shakedown Street? Oh wait, I know... how about another caps-lock-stuck rant from a friendless, paranoid sociopath?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 23, 2010 3:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob's best Yellow Dog story?

Any suggestions? Links?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 23, 2010 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob's best Yellow Dog story?

[Taking the bait] I like the one where Pig interrupts Bobby and steals the punchline. I forget the date.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 23, 2010 4:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob's best Yellow Dog story?

And you call yourself a deadhead? You should know the date, venue, and during what part of the set it occurred.

Thanks. I love the fact that people would actually have a true response to such a query. I doubt there are many other bands that can claim the same.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 23, 2010 4:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob's best Yellow Dog sandwich

Yellow Dog Pt. 1> Schoolgirl> Yellow Dog Pt. 2

http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-04-12.sbd.cotsman.14914.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 23, 2010 5:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob's best Yellow Dog sandwich

Well played!

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Nov 23, 2010 6:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Bob's best Yellow Dog sandwich

All these yellow dogs, is it like the only joke they know. It makes sense to follow it up with alligator I thought that was the real punch line but the jokes on me.